House Bill 2513 PASSED!

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I agree with the previous poster. Also, this quote from the article does not make any sense.

"They already have a lot of security on campus. One example -- push a button on a phone and it immediately connects to police. Students say things like that are enough."

My campus has these as well. You push a button, the phone connects you with the police as you take bullet wounds from the gunman on campus. Makes sense...or does it? I personally plan on applying for a concealed carry permit and if it is legalized on campus, then I would go ahead and do so. I already carry a knife with me everywhere and it has nothing to do with paranoia, it has to do with common sense. Two of my friends were almost jumped between our dorm and the rec center, which are within sight of each other and I would guesstimate about a 1-2 minute walk. Thankfully, they saw the guy peek around the corner of the only other building in the area and called me and two of us went down to see what the deal was. As soon as we came within sight, this kid jumped out of his hiding spot and ran. Obviously enough, this kid was up to no good.

Honestly though, I think the Thomas Jefferson quote is words enough.

I am severely disappointed by the quality of your work on this article, KTUL.

I happen to agree with Thomas Jefferson, our beloved former president: 'Laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature that they disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.'

There's really nothing more to say. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

I am a 60 year-old mother and grandmother, and am also a Concealed Weapon License holder. I carry a gun where it is legal for me to do so. (And no, you would never know it by looking at me.) After reading the article and comments, I can only conclude that many people, including the reporter, are uninformed about people who have a permit to carry.

You must take a class taught by a certified instructor, pass the tests, be fingerprinted, pay money, and send it all in to the OSBI, who then runs a background check on you. So, you see, holders of a license to carry are some of the most checked-out people in the state.

We are law-abiding regular people; the only difference between us and the students you quoted in your article is that we are willing to take responsibility for our own self-protection, and not just hope that someone comes to help in time. I hope very much that this bill passes.

The world is a beautiful place, and most people are nice and decent. But it is foolish to just close your eyes and pretend that there are no mentally disturbed, maladjusted, or just plain evil people also walking among us. These are the people who do or could at any time bring a gun to a campus. Rules and laws do not deter these people, like they do me. If you are a person who "just hates guns" I fear that you are being naive, and might as well say that you "hate cars because drunk drivers kill people with them."

Please just try to actually think about it, rather than close your mind based on illogical bias.

I am outraged at the lack of professionalism displayed in this blatantly one-sided and non-factual article. News reporters are supposed to give a factual and unbiased report of events. This article gave no mention to the other side of the story. Using phrases like, "everyone we talked to" is the universal cover phrase for people who know there are two sides to a story but refuse to report it that way. Do you think the legislator just dreamed-up this bill? There are many supporters of this bill and other legislation like it and it is unacceptable for your news agency to ignore us. Just take a look for a minute at the discussion board of this article and you will find that many people strongly support this bill. In addition to supporting the bill, we have evidence, facts, and statistics that support our case that legislation like this will help make Oklahoma's college students safer on campus. I am an Oklahoma campus leader representing a nationwide, non-partisan, grassroots organization called Students for Concealed Carry on Campus. There are 5 campuses in Oklahoma that have started to organize local chapters of this organization that currently has over 18,000 members nationwide. Membership has been growing in this organization steadily since it was formed after the Virginia Tech Massacre because we provide logical and factual information about concealed carry on campus. Unfortunately, we regularly encounter media that are biased and fail to report both sides of the story accurately or at all. I am deeply disappointed in this news station and I hope that future reporting on this issue is done in a more professional manner.

Look at the results of your poorly worded poll!

For more information about concealed carry on campus visit www.concealedcampus.org

Wake up people!! It obviously does not matter if a killer has his/her concealed carry license or not. That is evident. Shootings are going to continue to happen unless students stand up and realize they can make a difference. Gathering around a camp fire, singing Kum Ba Ya is not going to solve anything. Taking our guns away will not solve anything. What these students need to realize is the person sitting next to them, who could be carrying a concealed weapon, who has their concealed carry license, could save their life. Makes sense to me. Seriously folks, do you honestly think the amount of campus shootings will increase if the bill is passed to make it legal for students, 21 years and older who have their concealed carry license, to carry their concealed weapon on campus? I don?t foresee that happening. Like I stated before, if someone wants to bring their weapon on campus and shoot up the place, is it because they have their concealed carry license and they can do so?? I don't think so. Think about it. I am glad to have my concealed carry license and never leave home without having my Smith and Wesson in my purse.

According to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation statistics, 71,131 concealed weapon licenses were issued from 2002 through end of 2007. Persons we sit next to in restaurants, churches, theaters, stand next to in store check outs, or in vehicles beside us, may be carrying a concealed handgun. The number of licensees grow by thousands every year and they are everywhere around us already. The mayhem shootings I've heard about seem to occur in gun-free zones and rarely in places where people may be armed. If I were a student today, I would feel unsafe attending class.

Oklahoma is the best state evar! Politicians who aren't gun-grabbers that do proper legislating is why I love this great state!

www.ConcealCarryWeapon.com

It does not matter what each of us think about whether we should or should not allow the PEOPLE to bear arms at our universities. The question is should universities honor the Bill of Rights. The second of the Bill of Rights says "...The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It does NOT say "...The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed except at universities." If we do not understand our rights and demand they be honored, we will loose them all.

I am a student and I already don't feel safe at school without everybody carrying guns around. Just because you have a license, doesn't mean you need to take your weapon of choice to school. this is a place of education and politians need to stop being cheap and lazy and highten security. Us students go in debt trying to pay off these ridiculous expenses for college; I say that if i'm paying to come here, then the security should be worth it. But i'm taking online courses if I think for one second this law will be passed. School is not the place for everybody and their grandma to be carrying around guns. and of course the ones calling the shots haven't in school since..... go figure

nomadyearning,

Unfortunately, bad things happen everywhere and to people from all walks of life. Sometimes, people in the military commit crimes. Sometimes, even policeman commit crimes (See Bobby Cutts). That doesn't make either GROUP criminals or likely to use their weapons recklessly. Compared to the overall population, the chances of you being victimized by a service member or veteran are exceedingly low. Your ignorant and flippant comment belies some inherent dislike of people who volunteer to serve in the armed forces. My guess is that you aren't a big fan of the police, either. I suspect that people with attitudes like yours present a far greater risk for violence than anyone with a CCL.

nomadyearning,

Unfortunately, bad things happen everywhere and to people from all walks of life. Sometimes, people in the military commit crimes. Sometimes, even policeman commit crimes (See Bobby Cutts). That doesn't make either GROUP criminals or likely to use their weapons recklessly. Compared to the overall population, the chances of you being victimized by a service member or veteran are exceedingly low. Your ignorant and flippant comment belies some inherent dislike of people who volunteer to serve in the armed forces. My guess is that you aren't a big fan of the police, either. I suspect that people with attitudes like yours present a far greater risk for violence than anyone with a CCL.

Put yourself in the middle of one of these mass shootings.......at the mall, at school or anywhere else.........would you rather find yourself beside:

1. Someone with a cell phone dialing 911.......hoping and praying that the police will get there before YOU become the next victim.

......or.....

2. Someone who is trained, has gone through background checks at local, state and federal levels, is licensed and is carrying a concealed weapon and has at least a fighting chance to STOP the attack before you die......

You decide.........

KTUL TV news reporter quote: Everyone at OSU-Tulsa we spoke to about the plan doesn't like it.

Yet, the news poll indicates 67% approval of student's right to carry. Hmm.

People have every right to choose NOT to defend themselves, but no right to tell others they cannot.

Why do you suppose the crazies target schools, churches,and malls, instead of gun shows or police stations? It's because they can accomplish their objective with minimum interference. By the time a 911 call is responded to, the damage has already been done. I believe a (lawful) citizen has the right and responsibility to protect himself and others.

According to FBI Statistics violent crime goes down when potential victims are allowed to carry firearms. A College campus is a different sort of crime. Usually the Whakos on Campuses kill themselves, therefore will not be deterred by the threat of being killed by another student. The upside would be that this law could minimize the amount of injuries and death if the Whako enconters an armed student. If it saves just one life, I would say Yes, it would be a good law. This needs further thought / discussion and should not be dismissed just because we are afraid of Guns. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

This is actually a decent idea. Many think this will cause more violence. However, if you know that a lot of the other students are carrying, you may be less likely to strike out. As it is, you have to be 21 to carry concealed "legally," You are more trained than the average joe or jane picking up a weapon. Also, most people who have a concealed carry license have been using firearms for quite a while.

This is not a bad thing. Look if a kid is going to go shoot up a school, it is not because he has a concealed carry permit. If he is about to go kill 10 people on campus, do you really think he is worried about getting in trouble for carrying a weapon on campus???

Sad thing is, most people out there don't see that, all you see is "gun on campus!!!" oh nooo!

I'm appalled that 2/3rds of your viewers are thinking that carrying guns on college campuses would be acceptable. I believe that this is just inviting more violence to our college campuses. If passed we'll be looking for an out-of-state college.

Students will bring guns on campus whether it?s legal or not. Do some research; there are a handful of schools who allow their students to have guns with a concealed carry license (Utah being one). None of them have had any problems with it so far. This legislature will protect the students who do have a concealed carry and defends themselves and classmates the next time it happens. Of course, there?s a risk with anything. I know several people who have their concealed carry license. God forbid, they could snap some day and shoot me, chances are they wont. Being a college student I?ll take that chance. The first time a student with a concealed carry license stands up and stops something like this, I promise you people will have a change of heart and everyone will be all for it. It?s sad it will have to come to that to change people?s minds.

"That older college student legally carrying a concealed weapon probably has grown up using guns, is ex-military, or has undergone additional training."

Kind of like that dad that blew away his two children earlier this week in OKC?

Ghostly, care to expound on that? The article says exactly what's in the bill. What about the article is biased?

This story exemplifies the out-of-control, strange culture that is America. One of the primary reasons I happily moved abroad 10 years ago. How many more people will fall victim to the bizarre gun culture that reflects a sick American society? Idiots that claim 'If they take away our guns only the criminals will have them' are daily suffering the results of that kind of supposed 'reason'. America is the laughing-stock of the International community...I am frequently asked, 'how can Americans deal with the constant stress of never knowing when they might be the next victim of gun violence?' I don't try to 'explain' American culture, only expressing my relief that I no longer live there. I feel the deep strata of 'anger' that permeates American society is the real problem...One that should be addressed as quickly as possible. It feels wonderful to live in a country like Australia where that type of anger doesn't exist and where we have strict and enforced gun laws.

this is a very biased article, full of mis-truths and fear based opinions, shame on you for publishing this trash.

I am for the NRA and our constitutional right to bear arms. However, I don't think allowing more guns on our campuses is the answer. The thought is frightening to me. I believe that better security and more cameras and metal detectors is the answer. I hope and pray that cooler and wiser heads in the state house veto this bill.

Wow! There are some misinformed people. Those who go through the hassle and cost of getting a CCL are the LAST people likely to start a fight or "go off". That older college student legally carrying a concealed weapon probably has grown up using guns, is ex-military, or has undergone additional training. I fall into all three of those categories. I may go to graduate school soon. The state says I can legally carry a concealed firearm in public...and I do! If someone assaults me with a gun or any other deadly weapon, the law says I can use my gun to defend myself. Why do things change and I suddenly become such a hazard when I step foot on a college campus?

If someone goes nuts, any law preventing them from carrying a gun on campus is meaningless. We have many recent examples demonstrating how this is true. Might someone defending themselves accidently hit a bystander? Possibly...but he or she would also be in a solid position to stop the assailant, or at least slow him down, saving themselves and perhaps others in the process. It's a little like saying we wouldn't want someone speeding to get a dying person to the emergency room...they might have an accident and injure or kill someone else. Any situation like that will be bad...it comes down to degrees of bad. As for the cops not knowing who the bad guy is...I can't speak for anyone else, but if I see a uniform burst into the room, I'm dropping my gun and hitting the floor.

Perhaps a secondary CCL endorsement would be appropriate. People such as former military, or those who have had some type of additional training and/or screening would be eligible and would register with campus police. Anything reasonable...just don't tell me you're afraid of a law abiding person who is legally carrying a weapon that you can't even detect. When you leave that campus, you're probably sitting in a restaurant nearby or standing in line next to someone like me. Don't worry about it!

yogiOK:

You're assuming a probability that someone who goes to the trouble of getting a permit will go bad. Statistically this just isn't the case. People who follow the rules tend to continue to do so. Besides, college students aren't barred from getting a permit now, just using it at college. There are many 21 and over college students with permits, you just don't know it (because they follow the rules).

The separation of good guy from bad when officers respond is a dangerous situation. Many undercover police officers have been killed by responding unifomed officers under just these circumstances. There is a protocol and situational awareness is paramount. Some CCW holders may choose to accept the risk and respond to an active shooter, rather than suffer their conscience later if they stand by and let others get killed. Others may decide to play it safe and only use their gun to defend themselves if it becomes necessary. Either way, they have a chance that the unarmed person does not.

The only circular logic in play here is the blind belief that those little red circles with a slash though them provide any protection whatsoever. They don't.

Language is everything. The way you phrase a question can influence how it is answered. You say "everyone we talked to at OSU/Tulsa was against the new bill." And yet your own online poll is strongly in support of it. That is a disconnect from reality. As journalists, you should be asking yourselves if you asked your questions in a fair way?

For instance, even the poll question itself falsely states the issue. It isn't "should college students be allowed to carry guns on campus?" The question is, "should someone with a valid state issued permit to carry a gun be permitted to carry a gun when on Oklahoma campuses?" When it is asked your way, it sounds like the proposal is to just start passing out guns to "students." The issue is why shouldn't your permit be legal on a campus? It is a potentially dangerous place where you could be a target. But your response to that is supposed to be to go unarmed?

The really sad thing about these news stories is how the straw man arguments are never addressed. People are interviewed with misleading questions and then the comments that seem the most outlandish are the ones that get aired. Stop and think for a minute. We've already done all this debate. When OK was trying to pass a concealed weapons law. We heard all the wailing about how every car accident would lead to gunfire. How just the presence of guns in everyday life was inherently dangerous. But the law passed. Years ago. And yet you almost never hear a news story where the "bad guy" is someone with a valid license to carry. So we KNOW having legal gun owners with guns does NOT lead to all these bad outcomes. And yet that is what gets put on a news story! Without any comment from the journalists about how long the CCW law has been on the books and how few problems there have been.

Gregg

coryj101:

Your'e right. This isn't the time for name calling and mud slinging. I just get tired of the irrational fear that uninformed people have about concealed carry permit holders. We're not nutjobs waiting to shoot at the slightest provocation. We're not any more inclined to become homicidal maniacs than the fearful person who thinks we are. I was a CCW holder well before I became a reserve LEO.

My other point was that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Even on a small campus it may take several minutes to cut through the chaos and respond effectively. In the meantime people are dying. How would you feel if you could legally carry and defend yourself everywhere but the campus that is attacked? How helpless would you feel cowering in a room waiting to see if you were next, knowing that your gun could give you a fighting chance, if only you had it? I'm not on the "Heston High Horse". I'm on the "lets give them a chance, however slim, to survive an attack, horse".

BTW, police officers are some of the worst shots. On average I'd say a CCW holder may actually fire their handgun more than a police officer. My rather large agency requires 60 rounds of live fire, once per year. That's not much more than it takes to get a permit. I know civilians that I'd trust to back me much more than some of the officers I know.

Oh yeah, let's see just how effective those video monitors are at stopping bullets should some psycho start shooting. If Wacked Out Willard started to shoot at one shot every 5 seconds, and the police took a speedy 3 minutes to get there, Wacked Out Willard would get off 36 rounds! But, Wacked Out Willard is most likely going to shoot much faster than one round every 5 seconds.

Now let's say that one law abiding citizen who is carrying a concealed weapon is sitting in the same classroom. Wacked Out Willard may get off a half dozen shots at the most, then the law abiding citizen would shoot and kill Wacked Out Willard. Yes, the trauma would be horrific to see someone get killed but the trauma of seeing several someones get killed would be worse.

How about if we as a nation stop relying on the police to keep us safe and we start taking responsibility for ourselves. Because when something goes down the police will always be there after the fact. You'd better learn to look out for yourself and your fellow American.

Wow, I am quite shocked that so many people voted Yes in this poll. I would have thought it would be at least 75% against the idea of people carrying guns. That would really be strange to be in the presence of so many armed students. Kinda scary, don't you think. As many law enforcement officers must feel, "how do you separate the good from the bad"? I guess someone could be "good" at the time when they are granted a permit, only to go "bad" later on. Sounds like some sort of circular reasoning to me.

Jerry - While I understand what you're saying, I don't believe that you're in touch with the reality of the situation. At my campus, the Campus Police are active and retired TPD, and they are armed. You must have obviously ignored the section of the article that stated this. So no, the police are not miles away. BUT, I also understand, as a student and an experienced person that a lot can happen in those 30 seconds it takes them to get there, so I do agree with permitting students to bear firearms on campus. So, Mr. Jerry, let's take a step down from that Heston High Horse and take a little stroll to a little place I like to call "Reality," where name-calling and poo-slinging are not required to make a valid point, only coherent sentences. Being a reserve LEO is great and all, but it isn't a PhD. in Everything.

I think that this would be the biggest mistake anyone could do in passing a law where college students could carry a weapon. Do we not want any school to be safe or are we trying to put our students in more bloodshed trauma. As a mother and grandmother, I want to know my children our safe and to not have to fear, that there is a youngster out there that could go off the deep end and hurt one of my children or anyone elses child. Let the officers handle it. they have been trained for alot longer and hire more secuity on the campus. I am against this law that is trying to be passed. What is this world coming to. As tor the Military, they have had a lot of training and their's has been more then just a week or two. We need to pray for our Nation.

momof3boys: Man, and that sure has happened i mean WOW, since columbine happen thats stopped how many school shootings since then? NONE!!

now, this is a 21 and over question were not talking about arming 13 year olds were not even talking about elementary schools, middle schools or highschool so please momof3boys keep this in your head, were talking about over 21 year old adults. the same people who protect your freedom right now in IRAQ at the age of 18, just because law would allow ccw holders to carry on campus doesnt mean theres going to be a mad rush for every 21 year old to go get a gun, there are very very very few people under 25 that decide to spend the great deal of money to first obtain a pistol, learn to shoot it, pay the fees and taxes, pay and take the classes associated with recieving a ccw then buy concealment holsters, believe me your average 21 or older adult will not do all this just to commit a crime. remember were the ones that wont walk into a restraunt because it has a no guns allowed sign. were the ones who will take our buisness elsewhere.

momof3boys:

That's just it, the police are not there to protect you. They're not sitting in class with you. They're not sitting in the admin office. They're not in the halls and the auditoriums. They're in a patrol car, sometimes miles away. By the time the first 911 call come in and the operator gets a coherent statement from the sobbing freaked out student, relays the call to the dispatcher, who relays the call to the officers, who race to the scene, then wait for at least the 2nd officer to arrive (as they're trained to do, I'm a reserve LEO), then enter the building and move towards the shots, you have a massacre just waiting for the suicide at the end.

Get real and stop living in a fantasy. The police are there to mop up at the end and write the reports, not save you. Grow a spine and save yourself. It's the responsible thing to do. You might just save someone else along the way. That is, unless you think you're a homicidal maniac just waiting to happen.

I believe in the right to carry weapons if you go through procedures and are responsible, however, Who determines whether the person carrying a gun is not going to shoot up a school. I have children who will have to deal with the concequences of someone who has too much on their plate and decides to shoot up a school. As much violence in the world, why would we want to introduce more to our sons and daughters. Where do the school shootings stop? I was in class when Columbine happened, I was in school when the shooting at the muskogee school happened. I dont want my children as scared as my classmates and I were. Whether your 5 or 25 it has a devastating effect. The police are there to protect you so let them do what they are there to do. PROTECT AND KEEP ALL OF US SAFE.

westsidechik:

That's the beauty of it. You'll never know and neither will the bad guy.

To use the argument that arming our young people with guns to protect themselves is ludicrous. What if the student with the gun snaps? What if he or she gets into an argument with another and just starts shooting. The possibilities are endless of how wrong this can go. I would personally feel so uncomfortable and even less safe if I knew a student was sitting next to me with a concealed gun.

"My main concern is, police arrive at a gun battle, and then they have NO idea who is the good guy, or the bad guy.... Good chance somebody with a ccw could be shot and killed because they "looked like the bad guy"

Well then its a good thing the police never get there in time FOR the gun battle. The CCW permit holders will be able to show the police which dead guy (hopefully the only dead guy) is the bad guy.

My main concern is, police arrive at a gun battle, and then they have NO idea who is the good guy, or the bad guy.... Good chance somebody with a ccw could be shot and killed because they "looked like the bad guy"

Folks, We need to stand for what we believe. I believe in the Right to Carry. If we can send soldiers off to fight, then remove their right to protect themselves when they come home, we are lying to ourselves. That thinking has got us into the security problems we now have. As an individual who has lived in several major cities, I will not travel without protection. I do not like to go to Tulsa because of what that city has become. It is dangerous for all of us, especially women. I personally know of an IRAQ Vet who was fortunate enough to return to his home in Tulsa, and now has been a victim of a violent attack. That is not an America I am proud of. Vietnam Veteran

"But, yet they have more training than people who just get their conceal carry permit. You'll put your life in the hands of someone who has finished an 8-hour training course over someone who has had months or even years of training? "

I'd rather put my own defense in my own hands than rely on a campus security guard 20 minutes away, probably not armed with anything more than pepper spray, walkie talkie, and a stack of pink sheets to write people up with.

Im sorry if you mis-understood me, im not saying a ccw holder cant commit crimes. im saying their less likely to go on murderous rampages or knowingly violate crimes that would hurt another human being. like the media would like to portray ccw holders as.

Data obtained from the OSBI, the regulatory agency for the handgun permits for oklahoma , shows that less than 1 % of permits have been rescinded from active permit holders.

These are not just "college students". These are ADULTS who have gone through the necessary classes and training to legally carry/conceal a firearm. The liberal anti-gun party will have you believe that people will be handing firearms out to anyone and everyone on freshman orientation day-this is not the case.

I would much rather have someone that has been trained to use a gun correctly, ie CCW, take charge and at least save some lives, than to wait for the police to arrive to help me. Usually by the time the police arrive they are there to investigate the crime, not to prevent it.

"They are technically rent-a-cops who sit on a podium."

But, yet they have more training than people who just get their conceal carry permit. You'll put your life in the hands of someone who has finished an 8-hour training course over someone who has had months or even years of training?

I am a member of the concealed carry on campus, I don't think there can every be enough security on campus. Just as there is not enough police on the streets. A security guard cannot be in every place at once, and most of the time the deed has already been accomplished and the gunman has committed suicide by the time that law enforcement finds out about the situation and responds. The incident rarely lasts more than a few minutes, not enough time for a student to push the phone button or contact an official, and expect the official to get there in time to save anyone. If a student is in the vicinity, who is licensed to carry a weapon can greatly reduce the amount of casualties from an incident. By increasing the ability for the student body to fight back and not be harmless would deterr future occurences of these types of situations. I would like to see this bill pass, it would make me feel safer on campus as a student. I feel that campus security does not do their job to the fullest extent, they are technically rent-a-cops who sit on a podium.

This will always be a problem as long as medical professionals keep prescribing drugs that turn suicidal people into homicidal people.

"...should people with concealed weapons permits who have taken the training and had background checks and who are proven to be the farthest from commiting any sort of crime be allowd to carry on campus?"

So, I'm guessing there is a badge that goes with that training that says "I have a concealed weapons permit and have taken the training and had background checks and am proven to be the farthest from commiting any sort of crime"?

You seem to think that just because you've had the training and a background check and have your permit means you're completely uncapable of doing any sort of harm? Get real.

are we forgetting also that not all "Students" are 21 years old? why cant a 28 year old whos going back to school or be allowed to carry? while id say 90% of students are young what about the 10% of students who are older aswell? when you say student you think of young and you automatically get this assumption of irresponsible kids.

why did the news make the poll about should students carry guns, if it was a responsible media trying to be unbiased and un skewed direction they would have put should people with concealed weapons permits who have taken the training and had background checks and who are proven to be the farthest from commiting any sort of crime be allowd to carry on campus?

Now to the new story its self.

I feel any student of age should be allowed their second amendment right to bear arms.

College's should mandate or come up with some sort of class maybe 2 days a month where the students meet. maybe required that if you carry, you must have a orange vest in your back pack so incase a shooter does come onto ground you should throw your vest on (which the vest should only be known about my local authoritys and staffs of the school) and follow school rules of exiting or locking down the class room. if theres a teacher in the room you and the teacher become the responsible partys. if you are in a room by your self with other students you become responsible for locking down the room as best as possible.

I can tell you this. if there was ever a situation where a murder who does not follow those cute little no gun signs or doesnt obey those "Gun Free Zone" was ever coming at me or in the area and someone pulls their concealed weapon and in an attempt to stop this man a bullet misses strikes me. Iv let my family know not to be upset that this is the way id want to go if it just saves 1 life.